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What makes electrical automobile fires so challenging to snuff out? [Video]

Burning car fire

Although electrical automobile fires are not unusual, when they do begin, they can be extremely challenging to produce. Researchers are still attempting to identify all the information of what really takes place (chemically) when a lithium-ion battery fires.

Electric autos do not ignite extremely typically, yet when they do, points fume. Just how do these fires begin? Why is it so hard to produce? There are researchers attempting to respond to these inquiries, yet there are additionally still researchers attempting to identify what really takes place (chemically) when a lithium-ion battery fires up. Can we resolve this issue without totally recognizing what is occurring?

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Electric autos do not ignite extremely typically, yet when they do, points fume.

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This fire took 6,000 gallons of water to produce. This took virtually 20,000.

So, just how do these fires begin as well as why are they so hard to produce?

To recognize this, we can begin by looking inside this nine-volt battery.

Ends up, 9 volts isn’t one battery. It’s really 6 batteries. These private batteries are called cells as well as an EV battery coincides.

It’s comprised of hundreds or countless cells similar to this or this, or perhaps bigger cells that somehow I have not had the ability to purchase online.

A battery fire similar to this begins in a solitary cell through a chemical procedure called thermal runaway. We currently have X-rays of this shot occurring at countless structures per secondly.

This is the top component of a cell comparable to this. Leading core points. Steel external housing. The brilliant lines are the steel oxides as well as copper. The dark components are plastic as well as light weight aluminum.

Well, a close-up of the battery taken slower.

So, the gas is accumulating right here, something you can not straight see, yet it’s transforming the interior parts around.

This point right below, this is the stress launch shutoff, as well as currently, it’s bursting, which need to avoid a surge by alleviating the stress, yet view this.

Gas build-up presses the interior parts of the battery upwards, creating the shutoff to end up being clogged up.

With no place to air vent, an increasing number of gas maintains gathering as well as every little thing obtains hotter as well as hotter as well as hotter, extending the steel external covering to its snapping point till it falls short as well as a surge happens.

This is the after effects. Full damage.

These are white spheres, this is liquified copper. Copper thaws at 1085 levels

The Celsius range, additionally referred to as the Celsius range, is a temperature level range called after the Swedish astronomer Anders Celsius. On the Celsius range, 0°C is the cold factor of water as well as 100°C is the boiling factor of water at a stress of 1 atm machine.

“data-gt-translate-attributes=”[{” attribute=””>Celsius, so, inside this battery, you’ve got temperatures about as hot as a steel forge.

Now, if one cell thermally runs away, it can heat the surrounding cells to the point that they do too, and you got a chain reaction and it spreads to even more surrounding cells, and, pretty soon, you’ve got a massive battery fire.

There are groups of scientists and engineers trying to solve this problem, but there are also scientists just trying to figure out what’s actually happening chemically when a lithium battery catches fire. Because even after a few decades, we don’t fully understand it yet.

So, what do we know, and can we solve this problem without fully understanding what’s going on?

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This is called the jelly roll.

This is the anode and it releases electrons.

This is the cathode and it absorbs them.

If you put these two in direct contact with each other, you’d get a spark, electrons jumping directly from here to here. But if you separate these layers with an electrically insulating layer and provide a path for the electrons via a couple of conducting layers, you can pull electrons out of the battery and make them do some work for you before they return to the battery again.

Now, the electrically insulating layer is called the separator, and it is key to understanding thermal runaway.

It’s electrically insulating, but chemically conductive, meaning electrons cannot pass through it, but lithium ions can.

Let that sink in for a second.

Electrons are point-like particles with zero volume. We made a whole video about this. You should definitely check it out. And a piece of plastic with lots of holes blocks them.

But ions are much larger, do have volume, as you can see from this highly accurate diagram I drew, and they can pass right through.

What’s going on?

Well, it actually has nothing to do with size.

Electrons are way too reactive to travel through materials on their own. They need a path and conducting materials like metals have lots of accessible empty orbitals that form exactly that path.

Plastics don’t.

So, even though the holes in a piece of plastic are way larger than an electron, there’s no conductive path around or through those holes.

Ions, on the other hand, they don’t need a path. They can just saunter right through.

So, anyway, the separator is made of plastic.

Now, let’s say that this little cell is humming along in an EV, and, for some reason, the cell starts to overheat.

Once the temperature in the cell reaches about 130 degrees Celsius, the separator melts, which means the anode and the cathode make direct contact and you get a spark.

This is called an internal short circuit or an ISC.

Quick side note here. Lots of things can cause an internal short circuit.

If you hammer a nail into the battery, for example, or if a charger malfunctions and overcharges the battery, or if you overheat the battery, or manufacturing defects.

What? I gotta put this back together if I’m gonna return it.

Okay, so if you wanted to design something that generates a complete chemical cluster (beep), a battery that’s just experienced an ISC is an excellent way to do it.

You’ve got a bunch of metals and metal oxides that are prone to give up or accept electrons. That’s why they’re in the battery to begin with. You’ve got solids in there, but you’ve also got liquids. You’ve got high temperatures, which means the liquids are prone to change into gases.

So now we have every phase of matter except

By the way, this is why EV fires are so hard to put out. Even though batteries are way less energy dense than gasoline, they generate their own oxygen when they burn.

Gasoline does not.

So, as long as the temperature is hot enough, the batteries can just keep reigniting unless you use thousands of gallons of water to bring the temperature down to the point where that can’t happen.

This whole situation is happening in an electrically-conductive environment, which makes it extra hard to keep track of the electrons and by extension the reactions.

So, basically, a complete and utter chemical cluster, to the point where there are entire journal articles that list the chemical reactions that are happening that we’ve discovered so far.

So this is the crux of the problem. It’s just really hard to untangle all of the chemistry that drives thermal runaway. So it’s hard to figure out a chemistry-centric way to stop it.

Also, battery tech is changing so fast that, even if you could totally untangle everything that’s happening in, for example, this type of battery, by the time you do, the industry’s moved on to a battery with a different cathode or separator material or whatever.

Despite all of that, though, we can say some really interesting things about thermal runaway, things that help us engineer against it.

Okay, look at this graph, which I have enlarged for your convenience, of temperature of a battery versus time.

As you can see, it happens slowly and then all at once. Now, this all at once bit right here, this is the main thermal runaway event.

Look at how fast that is. The temperature shoots up to its peak in about one second.

Now, the speed here tells us something really important about these reactions, and to understand what that is, we need to mix baking soda with room-temperature vinegar, and also with vinegar at 57 degrees Celsius.

The hot vinegar reacted much faster, and if you’ve ever cooked something, this makes sense. The hotter your pan, the faster the thing cooks.

Svante Arrhenius, a Swedish chemist living in the 1800s, developed a model to predict exactly how much faster a reaction would go at higher temperatures, and this is it, just one equation.

The important things are K, which you can think of as the speed of the reaction, and T up here in the exponent, that is temperature in Kelvin.

Now, suppose we wanted to compare the speed of a reaction at 298 Kelvin, which is about the temperature of a room, with the speed at 330 Kelvin, which is about the temperature of the hot vinegar.

What we do is we divide one rate constant by the other, and when you sub in this equation, you get this mess, and when you clean this up and rearrange some terms, you get this.

Now, let’s say the activation energy, which is just the energy required to get the reaction to go, is 150 kilojoules per mole. Pretty typical. Throw that in, crunch these numbers, and you get 350. The ratio of speeds is 350.

In other words, we’ve only increased the temperature here by about 30 Kelvin, roughly 10%, but the reaction happens 350 times faster, and that’s because of the temperature in the exponent.

When you increase temperature linearly, the speed tends to increase exponentially.

Now, here is a crazy wrinkle.

What happens when you have a reaction that gives off? Damn it.

What happens when you have a reaction that gives off?

When you have a reaction that gives off?

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What happens when you have a reaction that gives off?


A bunch of heat?

You get what I like to call the Arrhenius ouroboros.

The reaction gives off heat, which increases the temperature. The increase in temperature means the reaction goes faster, which means it gives off heat faster, which means the temperature increases faster, which means it gets faster, which means it gives off heat even faster, which means the temperature increases even faster. which means it gets even faster.

This is a positive feedback loop, and, in particular, it’s an exponential positive feedback loop, which can drive the temperature in the battery from 200 to over a thousand degrees in half a second, and you get…

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By the way, this heat, it does dissipate, and it actually dissipates faster with increasing temperature, but that relationship is linear.

The exponential increase in reaction rate vastly overwhelms the linear increase in heat dissipation.

In the early days of lithium-ion, scientists knew a lot less than they know now, and yet they still manage to engineer solutions to problems they didn’t fully understand.


Well, sometimes, solutions are obvious, don’t depend on the underlying chemistry, and are easy to do.

Batteries are exploding due to high pressure. Well, let’s build in a pressure-release valve.

Sometimes solutions are obvious in theory, but the chemistry is hard.

Separators melting?

Let’s engineer one with a higher melting point.

Easier said than done. Changing the melting point without changing other properties requires lots of trial and error, but we have been making progress. Separators today melt at much higher temperatures than they used to.

Sometimes the easiest, most obvious solution doesn’t solve the problem all the time.

Remember at the beginning when we talked about this X-ray footage?

Despite this pressure release valve functioning exactly as it should, the battery still exploded.

Sometimes the solution involves a layer of tech on top of the chemistry.

Software battery controllers monitor things like charge state and battery temperature, and, for example, shut down the battery when things are getting a little too hot.

And sometimes the solution involves throwing out the whole battery and designing a whole new one with a completely different ion, say, sodium.

One cathode material being tested for sodium-ion batteries is sodium chromite, which releases far less oxygen when heated than similar cathodes in lithium-ion batteries.

Less oxygen means less combustion, which means less heat, which means less potential for thermal runaway.

And for reasons we don’t really understand, sodium-ion batteries undergoing thermal runaway tend to release their energy a lot more slowly.

One study measured the rate of temperature increase for a typical lithium battery versus a sodium battery, and found that the lithium battery heated up almost four times faster than the sodium one.

That would give other safety features in the battery much more time to kick in and prevent an explosion.

Most of these solutions, pressure release valves, separators, different cathode materials, they don’t require full knowledge of every single chemical reaction happening during thermal runaway.

All they require is understanding, oh, the separator’s melting? Well, we should design one that doesn’t. The cathode is releasing oxygen? We should design one that doesn’t.

We can solve these problems before we finish understanding them, like this video.

I don’t really understand how we’re gonna end it, but we can solve that problem if I just keep talking and leave it up to Andrew to just end the credits whenever he sees fit, which could be now, or it could be now, or it could.

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